How does one integrate all the complexity of Vedic Astrology indicators in each individual Birth Chart? Join me on an odyssey into the Symphony Music and the dynamic nature of the Orchestra as an analogy for analysing the Birth Chart. I will examine Signs, Houses, Planets, Avashthas (Lajjitaadi, Balaadi, Jagradadi), Vargas, Timing and Rahu & Ketu. Feel free to skip to the chapter that interests you most, as the topic is a dense and interwoven. Keep picture of the Symphony Orchestra in your mind or pull one up on Google to refresh your memory as we explore how what instrument you play, where you sit, what key it's all in and much more provide a rich environment for the contemplation of Vedic Astrology in today's Episode. And don't forget to let me know your thoughts! I studied all these fundamental building blocks of Vedic Astrology in the Asheville Vedic Astrology Apprenticeship Program now on teachable.com If you are studying the Apprenticeship now and found this episode useful, you might like to join 'Study Hall' on Sundays to deepen your learning https://www.fionamarques.com/astrology/#studyhall
How does one integrate all the complexity of Vedic Astrology indicators in each individual Birth Chart? Join me on an odyssey into the Symphony Music and the dynamic nature of the Orchestra as an analogy for analysing the Birth Chart. I will examine Signs, Houses, Planets, Avashthas (Lajjitaadi, Balaadi, Jagradadi), Vargas, Timing and Rahu & Ketu. Feel free to skip to the chapter that interests you most, as the topic is a dense and interwoven. Keep picture of the Symphony Orchestra in your mind or pull one up on Google to refresh your memory as we explore how what instrument you play, where you sit, what key it's all in and much more provide a rich environment for the contemplation of Vedic Astrology in today's Episode. And don't forget to let me know your thoughts! I studied all these fundamental building blocks of Vedic Astrology in the Asheville Vedic Astrology Apprenticeship Program now on teachable.com If you are studying the Apprenticeship now and found this episode useful, you might like to join 'Study Hall' on Sundays to deepen your learning https://www.fionamarques.com/astrology/#studyhall
0:00 Welcome And Introduction
Vedic Astrology is super complex (like life!)
As a student, it can be helpful to use analogies to put all of these pieces together
In the vedic-astrology.teachable.com Asheville Vedic Astrology Apprenticeship Program, Ryan Kurczak uses the analogy of fields and seeds
Today, I want to explore the birth chart as it was a sheet of symphony music
I love the idea of the conductor coming in with all these amazing tools at their disposal and everything written on a few sheets of paper producing 70 minutes of absolute harmony and perfection
Who might be interested in this episode?
I think today’s podcast is useful if you are student trying to put together all the different and valuable pieces of the astrology puzzle
And I think it’s useful if you are client to get an idea of how your astrologer turns all those numbers and symbols into a reading
Just like the conductor and the musicians make sense of their sheet music, that is what the astrologer is trying to do too – hearing the music of your energetic DNA in their head as they examine the strength, layout and timing of your internal orchestra
So I hope you will join me as we explore the orchestra and sheet music as an analogy
Obviously, it’s not a perfect analogy – I think some comparisons are super useful and maybe some others are a bit of a stretch
AND I would welcome your thoughts and insights too as you agree and disagree with my comparisons
05:00 8 Fundamentals of the Birth Chart
What are the fundamental of the birth chart?
1. Signs
2. Houses
3. Planets
4. Dignities
5. Potencies
6. Avasthas
7. Vargas
8. Timing
06:00 Zodiac Signs As Musical Keys
Key that the music is written in
The Key is the harmonic foundation of a piece of music
Although anything can be transposed from one key to another, the key itself is going to colour the music
So let’s take a look at some descriptions of keys …
“Affective Musical Key Characteristics”
Personally, they remind me very much of the descriptions in Yavana Jataka
10:15 Rasi Aspects as Closely Related Keys
Thinking of signs and musical keys allows us to explore rasi aspects too, for example
Keys that go together – 5ths away from each other (like C major and A minor, G major and E minor)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closely_related_key
It reminds me of ‘cardinal signs get rasi aspects from all fixed signs except the one next to it)
OK, so we’ve got signs as key signatures … what’s next?
11:10 Astrological Houses as Symphony Movements
This one is maybe a little harder to match
The Houses tell us where the karma is going to take place
For me, I resonate with the houses tell the hero’s journey
And for this reason, I think of houses and the musical themes in the symphony
1st house – 1st movement – brisk and lively (allegro) – dharma / inspiration
2nd house – 2nd movement – slow and lyrical (andante, adagio) – artha /gather resources
3rd house – 3rd movement – dancy (minuet, scherzo) – kama / explore
4th house – 4th movement – rollicking, light in character, doesn’t have a great deal of emotional depth, has a form all of its own – moksha / transcend
Repeat
“Classical Music: The Movements of a Symphony” for Dummies
A difference to keep in mind, is that a Symphony is always played sequentially
Life and birth charts are happening concurrently
So this analogy suggests a timing sequence that might not be there in Astrology
Unless of course you think of profections
So we’ve got signs as key signatures and houses as movements, what’s next?
17:22 Planets as Instruments
What about planets?
For me planets have to be the instruments the musicians’ play
Planets are the ‘grahas’, the grabbers of our consciousness and the part of the chart that we can work consciously with
But how do we match planets to instruments???
This is where I invite your feedback, but I have decided to allocate them based on elements i.e. Fire, Water, Air and Earth
The orchestra has 4 main sections, Brass, Percussion, Wind and Strings
Sun, Moon, Mars and Jupiter rule Fire and Water signs (dharma and moksha signs)
Mercury, Venus and Saturn rule Air and Earth signs (kama and artha signs)
Therefore, I’m matching Sun, Mars and Jupiter with Brass and Percussion
Sun, perhaps a trumpet heralding the direction and vision, bright and shiny
Moon, percussion like piano, harp, xylophone, calming and liquidy
Mars, the snare or bass drum driving the orchestra to action, perhaps the gong or tubular bells ruling Scorpio?
Jupiter, apparently trombone is the voice of god?? And a French horn player assures that the French horn is a strong contender here too
That leaves Mercury, Venus and Saturn to embody the wind and strings sections
Mercury, perhaps a piccolo or a lute? Gemini does have a lute! Or the violins busy managing the whole fabric of the symphony
Venus, sensual reeds like oboe or maybe flute
Leaving Saturn with Strings – a slow, low double base, a stressed and under pressure violin? (A listener also suggested Saturn as the pipe organ as per this video
Now, obviously, these match ups are not perfect, but perhaps close enough to explore our analogy
I do like that tamasic planets Mars and Saturn end up with instruments made of animal skin (drums) and strings (cat gut and horse tails)
If we think of Saturn as the violins - I like that it takes a lot of Saturn’s to be heard! That they are the hard workers of the orchestra playing the most time and forming the basis of the music – but going unnoticed as individuals.
23:55 Natural Friendships as Sections of the Orchestra
The specifics of natural friendships perhaps don’t correlate
Do trumpets hate double basses and vis-a-versa?
Do trumpets and flutes/oboes hate each other??
But I can see how the drums could hassle out the double bass
And maybe a piccolo gets on the nerves of a drummer??
Is the French horn or trombone being seduced by the oboe? And hassled by the piccolo?
But maybe the main friendship groups remain … that is …
Sun, Moon, Mars and Jupiter hang out in the brass and percussion with a sense of righteousness bossing the rest of the orchestra around, happy to be a marching band, while
Mercury, Venus and Saturn deal in the pragmatism of harmony and melody?? With a more Baroque or Chamber Orchestra feel
26:00 Recap – Signs, Houses, Planets
So even with these 3 basic analogies, we can feel that we are adding some richness to our Astrology now.
Some instruments do well in certain key signatures, and struggle in others
Some movements lend themselves to certain key signatures
Some instruments do well in certain movements but not so well in others
And Dignities almost spring up in front of our eyes in this analogy
27:10 Planetary Dignities as Seating Arrangement
A proud planet is perhaps a soloist, standing out among the crowd in its natural zone
Moolatrikona is perhaps ‘first’ in its section, and
Own home ‘second’ in its section
Great friend – right next door to its section
Friend – in the same friendship group i.e. brass/percussion or wind/strings
Neutral – not in its section but with space around it
Enemy – not in its section and in the wrong friendship group
Great enemy – not in its section, in the wrong friendship group and surrounded by enemy instruments
Debilitated – not in its section, wrong friendship group, surrounded by enemies and unable to be heard / without a view to its colleagues
31:00 Planetary Aspects as Sightlines
Seating arrangements are key in the orchestra
If you close your eyes and remember back to the last time you saw a symphony you will notice that
The Violins sit at the front, starting from the left
Moving into Violas and Double basses as the front row arc stretches left to right
Wind instruments sit behind the strings
Brass behind them and
Percussion at the back
Perhaps with a piano or harp off the left side
This is like Dolby surround sound in physical layout
And this seating arrangements leads to many useful additions to our analogy
· Dignity
· Shadbala
· Even lajjitaadi avasthas
32:10 Lajjitaadi Avasthas as Seating & Sightlines
Seating arrangements are also a good way to think about Lajjitaadi Avasthas
Where the instruments are seated, not only affects how much we can hear them, but who they are seen by in the orchestra
Delighted – seen by friendly colleagues in the orchestra who can help you keep time, rhythm or pitch
Or any instrument seated next to the French Horn (Jupiter) – who’s gentle round sounds makes any instrument feel important and cheered up
Conversely, eyeballing unhelpful colleagues who put you off your rhythm and pitch
Or, any instrument sat next to the double bass who takes up so much space, starving the musician of space, access to the rest of the orchestra and who sounds melancholy no matter what it plays
Or worse, being right next to the loudest, brightest, most righteous heralding trumpet and feeling inadequate and frustrated
Or even worse, being in the ‘5th movement’ with a malefic enemy instrument or any ‘movement’ with a malefic enemy and Rahu or Ketu and getting ostracised to a seat outside the orchestra!
35:15 Shad Bala as Orchestra Layout
Shad bala describes the potency or strength of each planet based on a myriad of factors
Sthana bala – positional strength – how many members in each section – is this orchestra strong on pianos or violins etc.?
Dig bala – directional strength – can the instrument see the conductor? Can the conductor see this instrument?
Kala bala – temporal strength – how many things suit the instrument i.e. key signature, the tempo, the note lengths etc. etc.
Ayana bala – declinational strength – how far from the conductor? Some instruments work better near the conductor, some far away
Chesta bala - motional strength – the time someone has to care for their instrument over time, is the person racing in to play this symphony and leave? Or have they been practising, maintaining their instrument and having time to clean the instrument after the symphony, have they developed care and confidence with the instrument?
Drik bala – aspectual strength – are other musicians actively stealing your reeds, your spare strings OR making sure you have spare string whenever you need them?
38:45 Vargas as Harmonic Resonance
Maybe my absolute favourite analogy between Astrology and Music is the Vargas or harmonic charts.
These are something that I have personally found it hard to wrap my head around and music helped me greatly.
Have you noticed how a ‘middle C’ played on piano and cello and trumpet (or whatever) sounds completely like a middle C but also completely different from the other instruments?
Maybe you’ve heard it called ‘timbre’ or the tone colour? Or another way to describe it is with ‘harmonic resonance’
Basically saying that each instrument has a unique pattern of resonating tones that it generates when playing the main note – watch this for a great visual representation
Why I like this for Vargas is that – we are always interesting in the main note or fundamental tone i.e. the D1, the rasi
But the quality of the harmonic tones or overtones brings a richness to the sound of the instrument and the orchestra
If an instrument is weak in some of these overtones the fundamental tone will not sound as rich
If the instrument is weak in the fundamental tone but rich in the overtones or harmonic – it might produce a very pleasing sound that won’t be strong as first listening
Varga charts are like a spectrum analysis – allowing us to evaluate the richness of the planets contribution to the life of the person
42:40 Balaadi and Jagradadi Avasthas
There are a few other Astrological terms that we can explore in our analogy, for example
Balaadi Avasthas – based on the number of degrees into a sign a planet is – this could be the age of the musician, the number of years they have been playing
Jagraadi Avasthas are based on dignity, but for this analogy we could think of them as the ability of the musician to concentrate
Awake – clear sight to the conductor and surrounded by colleagues
Asleep – in the wrong section with not line of sight to colleagues or conductor
Aspects – how different instruments can see each other in the orchestra
So where does that leave us
So this is what my experience of preparing for a reading is like
I’m looking at the sheet music, listening to how this unique orchestra is going to make the sound
43:45 the Client as the Conductor
Just like a birth chart is missing ‘planet earth’
Obviously it’s not, because that’s the lagna
So, what is missing from our analogy is the conductor
For me, this is the person themselves
The awareness, how aware is the person
The musicians all have their individual scores and could play their notes without a conductor – just with a metronome?
But if the conductor can be present and alert they can bring out the best in the orchestra
45:20 Timing as Visiting Conductors & Performers
There are so many timing techniques, this could maybe be its own podcast!
Are the Vimshottari dasas conductors that were previously musicians of a particular instrument?
With their own inevitable focus on their instruments, key signatures and movements?
Are profections repeating the symphony over and over, over time, one movement at a time?
Are transits visiting musicians who bolster or mess-up particular sections?
46:49 Rahu and Ketu as Unusual Musicians
I’ve left Rahu and Ketu to the end because they really are not planets in the way that we think about them
They are disembodied
For me, Ketu is the super-experienced musician who comes into to any section with hundreds of pencil notes on their score from the countless times they’ve played this piece for countless conductors
The ‘ground hog day’ musician who’s expertise has been honed and honed but who is out of time with the present, doomed to repeat the same experience not matter what they do
Rahu is the bizarre young musician who won’t even wear the ‘blacks’ and is obsessed with experimenting with their instrument, playing it in water, with grains of rice, with half the strings or holes covered.
The potential virtuoso who is half genius, half mad scientist and cares not for convention but wants to take risks and experience all their planet can do
48:27 Applying the Analogy
What about a Sun, exalted, a herald’s trumpet golden, burnished and bright, standing tall in his section, commanding attention and guiding all like a beacon
Competing with an exalted flute, sensual, feminine, liquid seducing the Sun’s Jupiter so the trombone loses its position
While this trombone is also trying to keep up the with the high and fast notes of the piccolo ruining the trombone’s rhythm cutting him off entirely from this glorious herald’s trumpet
Or
Saturn, the first lord, the double basses supposed to be in charge of the lively and bold start to the 1st movement but sitting in the 3rd house surrounded by 27 snare drums as this chart has very strong Mars sthana bala. The double bass intimidated by Mars constantly speeding it up trying to hold down the ‘allegro’ and the ‘minuet’ of the 1st and 3rd movements
But, whenever they can, the piccolos stand up and turn to face the double bass stuck in the percussion section and their friendship makes the double bass keep going
While the oboes join Saturn’s 1st movement melody and reassure it that it’s all worth it
Or
The piccolo and flute who would love to run away with the happiness of the melody stuck with a double bass between them, that no matter how the double base tries, it just can’t do light and silly, so the piccolo and flute feel heavy and restricted
Or how everyone feels delighted when the gentle French horn Jupiter coaxes more joy out of them than they ever thought possible
Or the wind section that was doing so well under one conductor who are now stifled and silenced by a strong brass call to action crescendo under the new Vimshottari conductor
52:10 Conclusion
I think it helps as Astrologers to realise how complex preparing a chart is
And inspires us that composers wrote this, so we can understand it!
As student it helps us see how the complexity of the chart comes together
And it helps us be realistic about how long it takes to get good at this – you don’t land a gig in the orchestra on your first day of picking up an instrument
As a client, it helps us realise that all charts are out of balance, they have wonderful things and disharmonious things
With the help of an Astrologer, the client can work on improving their symphony experience by understanding the discordant elements and by doing our job as the conductor of our own symphony
What did you think?
Do you agree, disagree
Do you find it helpful to look at a birth chart as a symphony score?
What would you change?
I notice that I didn’t use timing signatures! Or notes themselves in this analogy
How would you include them?
I look forward to your thoughts
And hope that you will join me again on the Vedic Astrology Podcast!